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Vestige
I'll be interested to see if there is any variation in this week's words, although having said that, there almost certainly will be more than I suspect ...

Poll #1270132 Vestige
Open to: All, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 182

Which of the following best reflects how you pronounce the word 'vestige'?

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VES-tidge
134 (75.3%)
VES-tizh
2 (1.1%)
ves-TEEZH
16 (9.0%)
ves-TEEDGE
19 (10.7%)
Other (specify)
6 (3.4%)

Which of the following best reflects how you pronounce the word 'prestige'?

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PRES-tidge
5 (2.8%)
PRES-tizh
2 (1.1%)
pres-TEEZH
102 (57.3%)
pres-TEEDGE
64 (36.0%)
Other (specify)
5 (2.8%)


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rumor_esq From: rumor_esq Date: October 1st, 2008 03:26 am (UTC) (Link)
I pronounce prestige differently depending on whether using it as a noun (PRES-teezh) or adjective (pres-TEEZH).

Is "tizh" supposed to be the same as "teezh" in your poll?
forthright From: forthright Date: October 1st, 2008 04:06 am (UTC) (Link)
No, 'tizh' would be pronounced with the vowel of 'ridge'.
crystalpyramid From: crystalpyramid Date: October 1st, 2008 11:38 am (UTC) (Link)
Can you give an example of a sentence where "prestige" is an adjective? I can't think of one.
rumor_esq From: rumor_esq Date: October 1st, 2008 12:17 pm (UTC) (Link)
Uh, no, I can't. I was wrong.

But I do use these the pronunciations for different uses, both as nouns. How to explain... I use pres-TEEZH as the quality that can be possessed. E.g., "He gained a lot of pres-TEEZH." I use PRES-teezh as a name. E.g. "Near the PRES-teezh hotel" or in the case of the movie "The PRES-teezh". I don't know why I use this latter pronunciation. There's no good reason to do so.
forthright From: forthright Date: October 1st, 2008 01:12 pm (UTC) (Link)
From: (Anonymous) Date: October 1st, 2008 01:18 pm (UTC) (Link)
Even after the explanation in wikipedia, I'm rather fuzzy on why "an adjective used as a noun" is not a noun adjunct, particularly with their example of "chicken soup." Anyway, that aside, I'm not sure noun adjunct is the right description here.

In my second example, referencing the movie "the Prestige", it doesn't seem to apply. But I'm more interested in the first example, "the Prestige hotel". Which noun is the adjunct here? I could omit either "Prestige" or "hotel" and the sentence would not change (although it might become less clear).
forthright From: forthright Date: October 1st, 2008 02:02 pm (UTC) (Link)
An adjectival noun is like 'The meek shall inherit the earth'; meek is an adjective turned into a noun.

In the case of 'The Prestige Hotel', Prestige is a name, which is a different situation than 'a prestige function'. Names behave oddly in language sometimes.
shinshokuinsane From: shinshokuinsane Date: October 1st, 2008 03:34 am (UTC) (Link)
"ves-TEEZH" and "pres-TEEZH" for both. To me, they rhyme perfectly. Although I pronounce the "T" almost interchangeable with a "D"; I think it's a West-Coast USA problem?
shinshokuinsane From: shinshokuinsane Date: October 1st, 2008 03:35 am (UTC) (Link)
Oh, but for "prestigious" I say "PRES-tidge-ess". Huh.
elanya From: elanya Date: October 1st, 2008 03:39 am (UTC) (Link)
I think my pronounciation of vestige is influenced by the fact that I more commonly, or possibly initially, encountered the word 'vestigial'.

I say prestige as pres-TEEdge. Probably doesn't make a lot of difference for your poll, but there is definitely a softening on the end.

However I say prestidigitation as PRES-tuh -etc ;)
quettalinde From: quettalinde Date: October 1st, 2008 03:45 am (UTC) (Link)
I fluctuate between VES-tidge and ves-TEEZH, but it's always pres-TEEZH. Probably an issue of frequency use here.
forthright From: forthright Date: October 1st, 2008 04:07 am (UTC) (Link)
Probably, yes.
ladyiolanthe From: ladyiolanthe Date: October 1st, 2008 04:07 am (UTC) (Link)
I have caught myself pronouncing 'vestige' two different ways that you have listed: ves-TEEDGE more often than VES-tidge. I suppose my confusion comes from the words prestige and vestigial.
ladyiolanthe From: ladyiolanthe Date: October 1st, 2008 04:09 am (UTC) (Link)
Also, in never ves-TEEDGE nor pres-TEEDGE do I actually pronounce a D-sound. Those were just the closest approximations to what I say that were offered.
ladyiolanthe From: ladyiolanthe Date: October 1st, 2008 04:09 am (UTC) (Link)
never=neither >_<

It's late.
forthright From: forthright Date: October 1st, 2008 01:14 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'm presuming it's what we in English normally call a 'J' sound, which is how the letters '-dge' are normally pronounced. (More on this to come in the analysis, no doubt!)
From: (Anonymous) Date: October 1st, 2008 11:32 am (UTC) (Link)
"I'll be interested to see if there is any variation in this week's words"

Why did you choose words in which you thought there wouldn't be significant variation, if I may ask? Also, it seems to me that whenever variation is possible, people will vary.

VES-tidge
pres-TEEDGE
forthright From: forthright Date: October 1st, 2008 11:51 am (UTC) (Link)
Well, I did think there would be some variation in the pronunciation of 'vestige', because I heard one of the more unusual variants recently, and wanted to find out how widespread it is. But for me, VES-tidge is the standard and until that one instance, I'd never consciously heard any variation.
bellesayuri From: bellesayuri Date: October 1st, 2008 01:33 pm (UTC) (Link)
Vestidge is pronounced "vest-EEDJE" when used singularly; however, if I am discussing the vestiges of something, I say "VEST-idgez".
swestrup From: swestrup Date: October 1st, 2008 03:15 pm (UTC) (Link)
Although I chose the -TEEZH variants of both, I sometimes (at random, as far as I can tell) pronounce them as the -TEEDGE variants.
pauamma From: pauamma Date: October 1st, 2008 03:28 pm (UTC) (Link)
Some mix/alternance of VEStizh, vesTIZH, VESteezh, and vesTEEZH (and ditto for prestige).
wurlitzerprized From: wurlitzerprized Date: October 2nd, 2008 03:24 am (UTC) (Link)
i'm really interested in what your findings are.
dialect survey-wise....
From: krilltish Date: October 2nd, 2008 01:46 pm (UTC) (Link)
I occassionally use "PRES-teezh" and very rarely "pres-TIZH" as well. I went witht the one I use the most/the one that I think I say the most (I have started to second guess myself) in the actual poll- PRES-teedge".
From: (Anonymous) Date: October 2nd, 2008 01:48 pm (UTC) (Link)
I meant "pres-TEEDGE", sorry. I was thinking of something else.
From: stumbleapart Date: March 9th, 2009 05:33 pm (UTC) (Link)
PRES-teedge, always :)
imarvintpa From: imarvintpa Date: May 1st, 2009 01:33 am (UTC) (Link)
I almost entered that I pronounce "vestige" as "VEST-idge".

IMarv
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